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max,min,inf,sup su insiemi non limitati

Inviato: domenica 26 gennaio 2014, 10:31
da r.et3
vorrei sapere se esiste un metodo standard per trovare inf , sup e massimi e minimi quando il dominio è non limitato,
e come capire se il sup/inf è anche massimo/minimo .
grazie

Re: max,min,inf,sup su insiemi non limitati

Inviato: martedì 28 gennaio 2014, 10:12
da ghisi
No non esiste nessun metodo *standard* che possa funzionare sempre. Ci sono alcune cose che ogni tanto funzionano. Una delle prime cose da fare è cercare di capire quale e' il comportamento all'infinito (sul dominio in questione!).
Ad esempio se c'e' il limite all'infinito allora grazie a Weiestrass generalizzato sai che esistono il massimo e/o il minimo che si trovano poi con la procedura standard (punti stazionari, punti in cui la funzione non è regolare e comportamento sul bordo). Ad esempio se il limite è [tex]+\infty[/tex] allora il sup è [tex]+\infty[/tex] ed esiste il minimo; se il limite è zero e la funzione assume solo valori non negativi allora l'inf è 0 (e potrà essere o meno un minimo) ed esiste il massimo, e così via...
Se invece il limite non c' è ma ci sono curve (sempre nel dominio!!!) su cui la funzione tende a [tex]+\infty[/tex] e altre su cui tende a [tex]-\infty[/tex] allora il sup è [tex]+\infty[/tex] e l'inf [tex]-\infty[/tex]; se ci sono curve su cui tende ad 1 e riesci a provare che la funzione è sempre [tex]\leq 1[/tex] allora il sup è 1 e potrà essere o meno un massimo a seconda che ci sia un punto in cui vale 1 (e lo trovi tra i punti stazionari, punti in cui la funzione non è regolare o sul bordo).
Oppure potresti riuscire a trovare un valore assunto dalla funzione che riesci a dimostrare essere un massimo e/o un minimo assoluto: ad esempio [tex]\sin^2(x^2y) + \sin^2 (x+y)[/tex] è una funzione non negativa che si annulla quindi il minimo è 0.
Si potrebbe continuare all'infinito con casi vari, come vedi non c'è una strategia unica...

Re: max,min,inf,sup su insiemi non limitati

Inviato: venerdì 31 gennaio 2014, 18:15
da r.et3
nel caso in cui inf e sup siano uguali a max e min rispettivamente li trovo sempre tra i punti stazionari/singolari ?
cioè basta che verifico che il massimo/minimo assoluto trovato con i metodi classici : punti stazionari, singolari , bordo ... è uguale al sup/inf ?
questo vale anche nei domini limitati ?

altra cosa:
in un dominio limitato devo sempre ricavare le condizioni sulle singole variabili ?

Re: max,min,inf,sup su insiemi non limitati

Inviato: venerdì 31 gennaio 2014, 19:35
da ghisi

Re: max,min,inf,sup su insiemi non limitati

Inviato: venerdì 27 giugno 2014, 18:40
da volm92
Non riesco a muovermi con questo esercizio. Una mano?

Funzione: [tex]xe^{-(x^2+y^2)[/tex]

Bisogna trovare il numero di: Minimi Globali, Minimi Locali, Massimi Globali, Massimi Locali e Altri Stazionari.

Grazie!

Re: max,min,inf,sup su insiemi non limitati

Inviato: domenica 29 giugno 2014, 18:00
da GIMUSI

Re: max,min,inf,sup su insiemi non limitati

Inviato: domenica 29 giugno 2014, 19:10
da nomeutente
ES. di inf/sup/ max/ min 6
Funzione: x^2 (x^2 + y^2 +1)^-1 ,sul piano
Funzione: x^2 + y^2 + 4 arctan (xy) ancora sul piano

Re: max,min,inf,sup su insiemi non limitati

Inviato: domenica 29 giugno 2014, 20:14
da Gabe
Aggiungo questo esercizio di Inf - Sup - Max - Min 7:

[tex]f(x, y)=x+arctan(x+y)[/tex] nell'insieme [tex]A=\{(x, y) \in \Re^2 : x^2-2x \leq 0\}[/tex]

ho provato varie volte ma mi viene sempre un risultato diverso da quello riportato nelle soluzioni, ovvero: [tex]Sup: 2+\frac{\pi}{2}[/tex] [tex], P.ti[/tex] [tex]max: 0, Inf: \frac{-\pi}{2}[/tex] [tex], P.ti[/tex] [tex]min: 0[/tex]

Re: max,min,inf,sup su insiemi non limitati

Inviato: domenica 29 giugno 2014, 20:57
da GIMUSI

Re: max,min,inf,sup su insiemi non limitati

Inviato: domenica 29 giugno 2014, 21:33
da nomeutente
Grazie GIMUSI :D
Ti chiedo un favorino: puoi descrivere l'approccio più generale per questi problemi?
PS. Perché calcoli la funzione in 0 all'inizio?

Re: max,min,inf,sup su insiemi non limitati

Inviato: domenica 29 giugno 2014, 22:56
da GIMUSI

Re: max,min,inf,sup su insiemi non limitati

Inviato: domenica 29 giugno 2014, 22:58
da GIMUSI

Re: max,min,inf,sup su insiemi non limitati

Inviato: lunedì 30 giugno 2014, 10:48
da Gabe
Si giusto, continuavo a disegnare l'insieme male

Re: max,min,inf,sup su insiemi non limitati

Inviato: mercoledì 2 luglio 2014, 23:21
da volm92
Forse non è l'argomento giusto per fare questa domanda, ma io ci provo lo stesso:

[tex]f(x,y,z)=x^2-xy^2+z^2[/tex] sul dominio [tex]D=\{(x,y,z)\in \mathbb{R}^3 : x^2+y^2+z^2+1=0\}[/tex]

Determinare MASSIMO e MINIMO di [tex]f[/tex] sul dominio [tex]D[/tex]

Come posso procedere con i moltiplicatori di Lagrange? Mi ci intrigo :(

Grazie a chi mi risponderà! :)

Re: max,min,inf,sup su insiemi non limitati

Inviato: giovedì 3 luglio 2014, 21:50
da GIMUSI